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Key quality in a conservative presidential candidate
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| Which one quality is most important to you in a conservative presidential candidate? |
| Commitment to winning the war on terrorism |
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40% |
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| Commitment to social conservatism |
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8% |
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| Commitment to fiscal conservatism |
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16% |
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| Commitment to Constitutional originalism / nominating conservative judges |
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Conservative Indy
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:32 am Post subject:
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Mooninites let me educate you on this issue because you do bring up a good point. President Bush declared war on terrorism. He was careful to avoid injecting "islamic" into the mix because of his attempt to reach out to the muslim community here in the United States. Law enforcement has enjoyed the cooperation of members of the muslim community in the United States in combating terrorism. The President fears losing their support so he avoids using words that might create a wedge. I'm not saying it's right I'm only explaining what the President considers.
The other issue is after 9/11 the political intentions of the enemy weren't clear. We understood their ideology but did not completely understand their political goals until recently. We now know they want to spread islamic states all over the middle east by knocking down moderate regimes. They want to take over Europe and Africa. Terrorism the means we declared war on was only half of the puzzle. The other half was making islam the religion of the world through black male.
Now that we know what we're up against completely we know what our goals should be and victory is something we should be able to define more clearly. Here is how I define victory against the islamo nazis.
1) We replace their region's pro terrorists regimes with moderate democratic governments.
2) We discredit their ideology and means as the way towards achieving prosperity and fufillment in the muslim world.
3) We dismantle the terrorists networks and their ability to obtain wmds or conventional to conduct terrorist attacks against free people and those who wish to be free.
Once we have achieved these goals we can declare victory in the war against islamo fascism. President Bush said this will be long like the cold war and it is the first war of the 21 century.
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trinity
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject:
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Good post, Conservative Indy. 
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Kiwon
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:20 am Post subject:
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Can we nominate Australia's John Howard? I know we can't but I loved his reaction to Barack Hussein Obama's troop freeze and March 31, 2008 date-certain pullout bill.
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"I think that will just encourage those who want to completely destabilize and destroy Iraq, and create chaos and a victory for the terrorists to hang on and hope for an Obama victory," Howard said on Nine Network television.
"If I were running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for the Democrats."
"You either rat on the ally or you stay with the ally," he said. "If it's all right for us to go, it's all right for the Americans and the British to go, and if everybody goes, Iraq will descend into total civil war and there'll be a lot of bloodshed."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-10-howard-obama_x.htm
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mooninites
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:01 am Post subject:
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| Conservative Indy wrote: |
Mooninites let me educate you on this issue because you do bring up a good point.
Here is how I define victory against the islamo nazis.
1) We replace their region's pro terrorists regimes with moderate democratic governments. |
Are you really of the belief that there will be no terrorism when a moderate democratic government, governs? Really? Simply installing the government and terrorism goes away? Pretty simplistic view and really ignores so much evidence to the contrary that its downright scary.
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| 2) We discredit their ideology and means as the way towards achieving prosperity and fufillment in the muslim world. |
Discredit how? Discredit what exactly? Again, high level pie in the sky talk that will never be achieved, and success can frankly never be proven/disproven. Nothing more than "we have always been at war with Eastasia" talk.
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| 3) We dismantle the terrorists networks and their ability to obtain wmds or conventional to conduct terrorist attacks against free people and those who wish to be free. |
So, you've again pretty much stated that this goal cannot be achieved. How will you ever know that you've "dismantled" EVERY network? Answer? You can't. There are always going to be people that can terrorize others if they have the desire. Period. Oklahoma City. Murrow building? Ringing a bell here?
While I give you credit for at least stating something relating to winning a war on a noun. I'll ask you this. Replace the word terrorism, with the word drugs. If I would have asked the people that supported that boondoggle this same question in 1984, I would have gotten similar responses of "dismantling networks", or "discredit the use of drugs" (Just say no!). You can't win a war on terrorism. You can be safer, you can be smarter, but it can't be won. Anyone anywhere with the right desire can terrorize anyone. Your goals above can NEVER be proven to be complete. And, that's exactly what many want. They want a "war" that can never be proven complete. Too much money at stake. And, I know you'll spin me as some conspiracy nut libtard, but I want to leave you with this...
What has this current administration done about Roe v Wade? Last I checked babies can still be murdered.
What has this current administration done about Social Security? Big words, little action.
What has this current administration done about gay marriage? Still no amendment.
What has this current administration done about immigration? This is one disgusting record here...
I see what I thought was my party off in the weeds fighting a war that can't be won, a war without end that lines the pockets of Shell, Mobil, Halliburton, etc.
We're fighting a noun half way across the world, but our borders are a sieve, abortion is still legal, and we have so much more to deal with at home in terms of real homeland security...
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mlf
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:18 am Post subject:
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mooninites, sounds like you're a Moonbat, to me!
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mlf
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Fully Agree
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I'm in full agreement, and have been trying to beat the point home to my fellow countrymen (and women) for years, without a country, all else is without value.
We must win this war, it is almost certainly the most important war since the Revolutionary War.
(Trinity, I am a Christian, and your statement about not letting it interfere at inappropriate times is one I have made many times. There is a time and place for all things. The cheek has been turned, time to slap back. Bravo.) |
I get how you win a war vs a country, surrenders are issued, yadda yadda yadda. I'm curious how you win a war on a noun. How exactly does this war on terrorism end? Does someone declare that entire planet is terrorist free? Does someone surrender?
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Um, when they stop trying to blow us up? Gee, is that so hard to understand?
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Intimidator
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:25 am Post subject:
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Do you honestly expect me to address your looney talking points or are ya just lookin' to get poked fun at? 
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| Conservative Indy wrote: |
Mooninites let me educate you on this issue because you do bring up a good point.
Here is how I define victory against the islamo nazis.
1) We replace their region's pro terrorists regimes with moderate democratic governments. |
Are you really of the belief that there will be no terrorism when a moderate democratic government, governs? Really? Simply installing the government and terrorism goes away? Pretty simplistic view and really ignores so much evidence to the contrary that its downright scary.
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| 2) We discredit their ideology and means as the way towards achieving prosperity and fufillment in the muslim world. |
Discredit how? Discredit what exactly? Again, high level pie in the sky talk that will never be achieved, and success can frankly never be proven/disproven. Nothing more than "we have always been at war with Eastasia" talk.
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| 3) We dismantle the terrorists networks and their ability to obtain wmds or conventional to conduct terrorist attacks against free people and those who wish to be free. |
So, you've again pretty much stated that this goal cannot be achieved. How will you ever know that you've "dismantled" EVERY network? Answer? You can't. There are always going to be people that can terrorize others if they have the desire. Period. Oklahoma City. Murrow building? Ringing a bell here?
While I give you credit for at least stating something relating to winning a war on a noun. I'll ask you this. Replace the word terrorism, with the word drugs. If I would have asked the people that supported that boondoggle this same question in 1984, I would have gotten similar responses of "dismantling networks", or "discredit the use of drugs" (Just say no!). You can't win a war on terrorism. You can be safer, you can be smarter, but it can't be won. Anyone anywhere with the right desire can terrorize anyone. Your goals above can NEVER be proven to be complete. And, that's exactly what many want. They want a "war" that can never be proven complete. Too much money at stake. And, I know you'll spin me as some conspiracy nut libtard, but I want to leave you with this...
What has this current administration done about Roe v Wade? Last I checked babies can still be murdered.
What has this current administration done about Social Security? Big words, little action.
What has this current administration done about gay marriage? Still no amendment.
What has this current administration done about immigration? This is one disgusting record here...
I see what I thought was my party off in the weeds fighting a war that can't be won, a war without end that lines the pockets of Shell, Mobil, Halliburton, etc.
We're fighting a noun half way across the world, but our borders are a sieve, abortion is still legal, and we have so much more to deal with at home in terms of real homeland security...
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:29 am Post subject:
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#3, I think it's a Weiner Fan! LOL!
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Conservative Indy
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:35 am Post subject:
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Are you really of the belief that there will be no terrorism when a moderate democratic government, governs? Really? Simply installing the government and terrorism goes away? Pretty simplistic view and really ignores so much evidence to the contrary that its downright scary.
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What is scary is you ignore history. We entered Japan, removed their religion/cult and imposed democracy. The Japanese now love us and insist on selling us good cars at cheap prices. That after we nuked them. Imposing democracy works long term. We haven't gone into the long term yet.
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Discredit how? Discredit what exactly? Again, high level pie in the sky talk that will never be achieved, and success can frankly never be proven/disproven. Nothing more than "we have always been at war with Eastasia" talk.
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Only pie in the sky for people who don't believe in our troops and the nobel cause of our efforts. You discredit their ideology by establishing a free country with prosporous people. We're doing it in Iraq and Afghnanistan. We're not done yet. The enemy is fighting this strongly because they know it will be a serious blow against their ideology. After all the islamists say it all the time, our way of life corrupts islam. They are afraid their people will select liberty over islamic fascism and thus they resort to violence.
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So, you've again pretty much stated that this goal cannot be achieved. How will you ever know that you've "dismantled" EVERY network? Answer? You can't. There are always going to be people that can terrorize others if they have the desire. Period. Oklahoma City. Murrow building? Ringing a bell here?
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Oh yes I can, I can answer. We're at war with islamic terrorists organizations. We're not at war with the KKK or some other fringe group here at home. We are at war with people who use violence to advance their religion. Eliminating their capability to conduct attacks and push their cause in the opposite direction means victory.
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While I give you credit for at least stating something relating to winning a war on a noun. I'll ask you this. Replace the word terrorism, with the word drugs. If I would have asked the people that supported that boondoggle this same question in 1984, I would have gotten similar responses of "dismantling networks", or "discredit the use of drugs" (Just say no!). You can't win a war on terrorism. You can be safer, you can be smarter, but it can't be won. Anyone anywhere with the right desire can terrorize anyone. Your goals above can NEVER be proven to be complete. And, that's exactly what many want. They want a "war" that can never be proven complete. Too much money at stake. And, I know you'll spin me as some conspiracy nut libtard, but I want to leave you with this...
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Oh please it is people like you in congress who sabotage the effort so you can then argue when can't win. You win the war on drugs when leaders decide to grow a pair and do what needs to be done. Secure the borders so they can't smuggle drugs into my country. 80% of our drugs come from Mexico. 2nd destroy the drug jungles in Colombia. When I say destroy I mean really destroy it so nothing grows. Until we do what needs to be done despite you leftists crying about it whether it is terrorism or drugs we won't see success.
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| What has this current administration done about Roe v Wade? Last I checked babies can still be murdered. |
Nothing to do with terrorism but Bush appointed Alito a conservative justice. Roe v Wade can only be defeated in the courts. He's done better than his dad with Souter.
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| What has this current administration done about Social Security? Big words, little action. |
We live in a democracy where people like you get to vote. You vote for these repubicans who don't want to upset the AARP crowd.
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| What has this current administration done about immigration? This is one disgusting record here... |
Agreed but tell me why is it people who make your same war on terrorism arguments do not support securing the border.
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I see what I thought was my party off in the weeds fighting a war that can't be won, a war without end that lines the pockets of Shell, Mobil, Halliburton, etc.
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Yeah you don't sound like a conservative. I don't believe for a minute that you're a republican. You're here to sabotage the conservative movement. You're probably part of move.org sipping your latee enjoying your time with Tiny Weiner Nation. Tell me do you two share a purse?
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