Last night Mark responded to David Frum’s article bashing Rush’s speech. Tonight, David called in to defend himself.
Does Frum not sound like a Lib? In his closing remarks, here’s his prescription for modernization, reform and change of our party:
We need to have a more relevant approach to economic issues that understand that it is health care that is crushing the incomes of middle income Americans. We need a new approach to the environment that accepts the legitimacy of… (Ten seconds) We need a softer line on social issues and an emphasis on competent, intelligent and fairer issues…
Levin: Basically, we have to surrender our principals. I get it.
Interesting, I thought it was high taxes and regulation that were crushing middle income Americans. Was Frum about to call global warming a legitimate issue? What’s a softer line on social issues? Pro-abortion? Yup, he’s a Lib, all right! He is the problem. We need to crush people like him!
UPDATE: Hey look! Mark was right! LOWERING THE MIKE ON CRITICS
What a whiny little baby. Can you believe he talks about his son on his own blog? Sounds like his son is a chip off the old block, too. Raising a child to behave like that and then brag about it is child abuse, in my opinion.
Oh, read the comments on Frum’s post! They are priceless! LOL!
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Frum is stupid. He is reading polls. I have never, ever, ever in my whole life, ever been polled. (Note the spelling) The global warming crap has been refuted so well, and so often, and so convincingly, that if any damn republicans believe that crap, they are to be considered enemies. I appreciate that you added that the warmers be compared to abortionists, MLF.
Well, I didn’t hear him say global warming or abortion. Anyone care to look at some of his articles to see if he supports them? He probably has written something in more detail of the changes he would like to see in the Republican Party.
Frum was just about to say that “we need to recognize Global Warming as a legitimate issue” before the hard break occurred.
How can this guy be associated with a Conservative Organization?
So, what Frum and all the other “moderates” are saying is that since the majority of young people (and many women) support abortion, government healthcare, and believe in global warming, the Republican Party should adapt to those positions.
Principles are what count, not polls, and not what “young voters” think.
The majority of young people have been brainwashed anyway. Being responsible for your own actions, honoring contracts, protecting life, demanding smaller government, and belief in free-market capitalism cannot be “adapted”. In Frum’s case, adapting is appeasement and accepting your opponent’s position.
I sense in Frum, a desire to “market” the Republican party to a position of “winning” elections for winning’s sake by conforming to what the voters want. He entirely misses the point. It is not about winning, it is about holding firm to our core beliefs and not budging. Our responsibility is to educate and inform the hoards of ignorant Obama people, not adopt their ignorance as our beliefs.
Rush Limbaugh is a sounding board for what I think and believe. To attack him is to attack me and all other passionate conservatives.
This Rush-Steele-Frum-Levin brouhaha is actually a good thing. We are flushing out the linguini-spined weasels that call themselves Republican Conservative Intellectuals! Let them join the Democrat Party! The hell with them! (and take McCain, please).
Side Note: In regard to Global Warming, even Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney have uttered pro-global warming statements. McCain may have forced Palin to go along with it but I haven’t heard her refute global warming since McCain’s staff threw her under the “Straight Talk Express”. Rush, Sean, and TGO are the only people that reflect a true conservative stance on all important issues. What is Steele’s position on Global Warming? I know of no future political candidate that would have the gonads to refute global warming on national television.
MLF,
Frum’s Website, NewMajority.com (“building a conservatism that can win”) has a January 25, 2009, article written by John Murdock that defends Global Warming and calls for the Republican party to embrace it. (Frum is the editor of this website and it is unlikely he would have approved this article if he did not buy into Global Warming).
Lead-in paragraph:
“If the Republican Party is to reclaim its historic status as a party of conservation, we must get over our corporate case of Al-Goraphobia soon and give the case for climate change the fair hearing it deserves.”
Need I say more…
These NewMajority.com pukes are Libs for sure!
Lead-in paragraph:
“If the Republican Party is to reclaim its historic status as a party of conservation, we must get over our corporate case of Al-Goraphobia soon and give the case for climate change the fair hearing it deserves.â€Â
Good find Slickwillyman. “Give the case for climate change a fair hearing?” Yes, climate changes – next!
I’d never heard of this guy (Frum) until today, but I know his ilk.
I’m Canadian, or as I like to remind people who bring it up…. I WAS Canadian. I joyfully moved to this great country in 1985 and received my citizenship at the first opportunity.
I recognize this guy Frum. He sounds all too familiar. He is not a conservative. He just thinks he is. At least not an American conservative. He is a CANADIAN conservative. Meaning he is a liberal on this side of the boarder, or at best a left wing Republican.
When I listened to Marks show tonight and heard that annoying Canadian accent it made my skin crawl.
An all too familiar sound. I really hate the sound of the Canuk accent.
These people drive me crazy!!! I meet them on occasion. They move south of the boarder for a better deal and immediately start to complain about the USA, and when given the opportunity, they vote for the very people that created the place they ran away from. I have yet to meet a Canadian conservative in the USA. What’s up with that! If you like socialism then go back to where you came from.
Frum and people like him will abandon principle, if he has any, and appease these people on the left until we have something that resembles Canada….. and then I have no where else to go!
What Frum was saying at the end of the call with Mark was very telling about how he would position conservatism in this country. He would “try to get alongâ€Â, and let them walk all over our liberty until one day he wakes up and it’s gone. Opps, didn’t see that coming the second time either!
Now I’ve listened to a few good speeches in my time and I must confess that I am a sucker for reason, facts and logic so I may be a little prejudiced when I concluded that Limbaugh’s CPAC speech was like Galt’s explanation, in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, as to why the collectivists failed.
We are witnessing the natural breakdown of the democratic “cure†machine; it is not the ball that is in their court, it is a bomb. And so why, at this time, are we supposed to adjust conservatism for the new age fastidious voter who finds socialism more appetizing than conservatism as they watch their 401k’s, their property values, their jobs and incomes going into a black hole while their payroll taxes, income taxes, state and local taxes and other direct and indirect taxes increase; and after several years so will their cost of living? Happiness is down and misery is up. Republicans need almost not campaign while conservatives, like Limbaugh, are wise to explain why.
There are many types of liberals and socialist governments but there is only one type of conservatism and that conservatism can be analyzed in terms of facts and philosophy. The facts are that socialism and its variations do not work while free market capitalism does. These are the facts based upon real historical numbers as proof. The philosophy represents freedom vs. tyranny. If conservatism seeks a new watermark and thereby modifies its’ principled morality to concede part of the former it will be but just a short time before it condones the latter. We don’t need to reinvent collectivism in order to defeat it. Unlike democrats, who lie when they say they will govern from the center and then go to the left, republicans who say they will do the same, actually do, and then lose elections as well as their principles.
When people like Frum, Brooks, Noonan and others wish to modify, so as to intensify conservatism’s appeal, I wonder what amount of liberty, freedom, property, choice, labor and effort they are willing to expend to satisfy the brainwashed, subsidized and naïve student, the addicted entitlement recipient, the union bosses, ACORN, the ideologues and the ultra wealthy Hollywood elites? Entitlements and group rights undermine liberal core beliefs. We know who we are and we can’t budge (nor will many of the others) so it will be the rank and file or, as Al Smith put it, that plain fellow in the middle that determines the results of elections. Yes, there are images that can be modified so that we do not appear like destroyers of old growth forest and polluters of air and water. We have for too long taken unnecessary criticism based upon rigged scientific data and a self-aggrandizing media only too willing to blame republicans for everything from mercury poisoning to Mt. Saint Helens. These mischaracterizations are easily cured and that leaves core and pure ideology as the issue on the table for debate. Without a fair amount of “feel good†attraction liberalism loses its’ traction. If Frum and company wished to introduce this type of dialogue then they should have correctly framed the argument to begin with. Real solid conservatives do frame the argument because they understand the principles of conservatism; they live by them and are guided by them.
To quote Galt’s speech from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged…â€ÂFor twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing—you who dread knowledge—I am the man who will now tell you…â€Â
It is too bad Ms. Rand could never hear the Limbaugh CPAC speech. No one would have enjoyed it more than she.
I’ll bet the Libs would like to torture Rush Like Galt was in that book! LOL!
OMG, I can’t believe David Frume was so freaking stupid as to call in. He’s an idiot.
He always sounded very gay to me, not just the words, but the tone.
Let’s not change the subject. He sounds like a typical Lib, to me.
I was looking at a blog post by “The Atomic Lib Smasher” that has the audio from the fight (which Mark won by the way), and a further update. You gotta read the bullcrap Frum-cake wrote there.
Sounds to me that this Frump is a big time lib, it’s just that he didnt come out of the closet yet. He blows a lot of sunshine up 0bamas butt in his article and attacks Rush to no end. Never even mentioning what Rush has done for our military. What really pisses me off is the unnecessary attack on Rush’s “drug dependency” Why is it that if a lib has a problem with drugs or alcohol you are supposed to be sympathetic? But if it’s a conservative, they need to be crucified? The drug Rush had a “problem” with is an evil drug and should not be on the market. If Al Franken had a “problem” with the same drug, I would be praying he could get off it. And if more people knew how bad this drug is, maybe they wouldnt be so quick to mock someone when they had a “problem” with it.
LIP,
It is not about issues and truth it is about their failed ideology. You can always find fault with someone and that is an Alinsky methodology. Change the subject and concentrate on the other fellows weakness. If Rush found a cure for cancer would they concentrate on his drug dependency and ignore the cure? Liberals mainline every other dependency. Their very existence appears to be related to government dependency.
Frum is a 5-star A-hole. Rush has done as much as anyone in the conservative movement to not only advance principles, but support our men & women in uniform.
And this “Republican” fraud attacks his weight, his appearance & his vicodin addiction. Brilliant.
The only question Mark didn’t ask Frum (which I would’ve liked to have heard him try to answer) was exactly which part of Rush’s CPAC speech was untruthful, incorrect, or out of line.
What a tool!